5 of 17 – Could Glyphosate be another case like DDT or Thalidomide?

GUEST AUTHOR: Iida Ruishalme |@Thoughtscapism

Iida Ruishalme is a writer and a science communicator who holds an M.Sc. in Biology from Sweden. She thinks nature is pretty awesome, and that it only gets more awesome the more you learn about it.

[ A version of this essay previously appeared on Thoughtscapism. ]

Hearing science-speak conclusions like “failure to show adverse effects”, or “no correlation found”, or “not likely to pose risk” often leaves a layman out cold in the mists of the inherent scientific uncertainty. For our everyday logic, there is a threshold of such little-perceived risk, where we simply declare something safe. But science holds fast to the humble intellectual honesty of saying “despite all our best efforts, there is still a very slim chance of an effect that could become evident in some unknown context in the future”. That may make our everyday brains feel uneasy.1

An oft surfacing thought amongst the sea of possibilities is along the lines of: isn’t it better to be safe than sorry? It’s happened before – we have realised too late that an approved of chemical has turned out to have unexpected harmful effects. Two specific arguments frequently offered in support of the value in precautionary thinking include the examples of DDT and thalidomide.

The problem is that ‘something has at some point caused harm’ is not a useful way to guide our actions, unless there are reasonable grounds that the mechanism of said harm is similar. If there are no significant similarities, then how do we choose where to apply our absolute better-safe-than-sorry caution? Should we apply it to any medicine? Any household chemical? What about natural pesticides produced by plants themselves, half of which also have carcinogenic potential? We need to find some reasonable basis for our caution.

5a) Are there parallels between glyphosate and the case of thalidomide?

As an exercise in evaluating relevance, let’s first look at Thalidomide and glyphosate. Firstly, Thalidomide is in a special class of compounds (chiral molecules), which have special properties depending on the stereoisomer – like our left and right hands, these stereoisomers are very alike, almost identical, but they have such 3-d structure that they can’t be superimposed onto each other. The S and R Thalidomide molecules are distinct mirror images of each other, and one of these forms causes drastic harmful effects for a developing foetus.


The hydrogen and nitrogen atom bonds, described with a wedge vs dashed, point in different directions, a bit like the thumbs of right and left hand bend in different directions if viewed superimposed.

Glyphosate however is not chiral. It does not belong to this group of molecules at all.

Thalidomide was a drug used by humans, particularly pregnant women. Glyphosate is not a drug, it isn’t taken in a dose aimed at having a tangible effect on humans, instead it is found only in our food in trace amounts – only modern wonders of measurement technique can detect these levels. Thalidomide was taken in large doses by pregnant women before it had been tested for teratogenicity (birth defects). Glyphosate is not taken at all, but it’s effects have been tested by a whole body of research.

Thalidomide was used, off-label, by a group of people during two years, and problems arose immediately. When they did, a clear molecular mechanism of its harmful action was found. At this time Thalidomide had still not in fact been approved for that use. It was undergoing regulatory evaluation, but select doctors were prescribing it for their patients prematurely before FDA approval.

Glyphosate, on the other hand, has been approved for use and indeed used for 40 years, and rodent tests as well as epidemiological human studies have found no cause for concern. No clear mechanism of action has been proposed.

The lack of similarities makes it equally relevant to compare glyphosate to any substance within the mountains of medical compounds that have been brought to market and have saved countless of lives.

5b) But what about DDT?


DDT or Dichloro-Diphenyl-Trichloroethan

It’s a pesticide, just like glyphosate. It was approved for use and turned out to linger in the ecosystem. It is about ten to forty times more toxic than glyphosate measured in LD50 (113-450 mg/kg for DDT vs 4900 mg/kg for glyphosate). What is more important, is that DDT is a so called Persistent Organic Pollutant (POP) which is biomagnified in living organisms – it is not cleared, but accumulates in the body. Had its use not been discontinued, it could have caused great harm for animals higher up in the feeding chain.

This was the absolute key to the problem with DDT: it persists in the environment. It is not cleared from our bodies, and neither is it broken down by sunlight, plant or animal metabolism, or soil microbial activity. This is also where the similarities with glyphosate end. Glyphosate is readily broken down in plants and in the soil, and the minute residues we encounter are cleared from our bodies through normal metabolism. Agricultural geneticist Kevin Folta has written an informative piece on glyphosate where he lays out the math:

glyphosate is degraded, both in the plant and in the soil, so that 83 mg per square meter (…”Speaking metrically, that’s 340 g of active ingredient per acre.”…) is going away as soon as it is applied. It is not taken up by roots, so what is not applied to the plant itself goes into the soil and is degraded with a half life of 3-130 days depending on soil type and other factors.

Jeffrey Smith’s Institute for Responsible Technology says that it persists for 22 years, which is certainly possible when a half life is 130 days. After 22 years there likely are a few molecules still hanging around at least if the math is right.

A word on persistent vs non-persistent pesticides

Neuroscientist Alison Bernstein, who has studied the role of pesticides in Parkinson’s disease, wrote the following analysis of persistent vs non-persistent pesticides on her Facebook page, Mommy, PhD:

Persistence and toxicity are interrelated and bioaccumulation is critical when considering toxicity. […] The answer is, for a non-persistent pesticide, [at the allowed level of residue] you could not possibly eat enough produce to get to a dose that is toxic. Add to the fact that since the pesticide is not persistent, it is also cleared from the body. So the exposure is low and then it is cleared. In short, you cannot eat enough to approach doses that have acute toxicity and the chemical doesn’t stick around long enough to have any chronic effects.

[…] The switch from persistent to non-persistent pesticides is major progress for reducing our toxic exposures. We have come a long way since thinking that DDT was good for us.

Glyphosate has not been found to persist, or bioaccumulate, in living organisms, and neither has it’s breakdown product, AMPA (you can find a review here). In fact, a recent study on dairy cow metabolism found that 61 % of glyphosate was excreted, 8 % removed in urine, none found in milk, and found that a significant portion of both glyphosate and AMPA may become biodegraded in the rumen.

Regulatory (r)evolution – why DDT could not happen today

DDT was used as an insecticide starting around 1945, its effect on mosquitos helped eradicate malaria in North America, as well as control typhus and malaria during WW2. During this time in the US, there was no established regulation of pesticides – they did not have to be registered or tested, and their use was not controlled. The first attempt to even introduce marketing control (to ensure the companies sell what they promise) came 1947, and the first concerns for safety were introduced to regulation between 1954-1959, such as establishing safe levels, not allowing carcinogens, and requiring pesticides to be registered (find out more in the Wikipedia outline on pesticide regulation history).

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The sixties and seventies saw more political and regulatory hurdles aimed at increasing control, largely thanks to the spread of awareness of the harm from pesticides, most notably from DDT, which was banned in the US in 1972, one year after the Environmental Protective Agency (EPA) was founded. Through seventies and eighties the agency struggled to get on its legs and working properly, including things such as having adequate funding, revealing fraud in an important independent testing company, political twisting on different amendments, and actually getting down to the task of evaluating all chemicals already in use (and farmers have been using methods of chemical pest control at least since the time of ancient Rome, more about that in this piece on pesticide history by entomologist K. Delaplane).

In the nineties important amendments were finally in place, such as the Food Quality Protection Act 1996. Neuroscientist Alison Bernstein, who studies the effect of pesticides on Parkinson’s disease, notes several other amendments which have continued improving the process in her article on pesticides:

Other laws (the Food Quality Protection Act of 1996, the Pesticide Registration Improvement Act of 2003, the Pesticide Registration Improvement Renewal Act of 2007 and the Pesticide Registration Improvement Extension Act of 2012) have amended this process.

Under these laws, new pesticides need to be registered before the can be sold and distributed. Existing pesticides must be reevaluated every 15 years to incorporate new data and ensure that they continue to meet current safety standards. All pesticides registered prior to the introduction of the Food Quality Protection Act in 1996 were also reassessed.

In other words, nowadays all pesticides must go through extensive testing before they can become registered and taken into use. From the Food Quality Protection Act 1996:

These tests include: acute toxicity test (short-term toxicity test) and chronic toxicity test (long-term toxicity test). These tests evaluate: whether the pesticide has the potential to cause adverse effects (including cancer and reproductive system disorders) on humans, wildlife, fish, and plants, including endangered species and non-target organisms; and possible contamination of surface water or ground water from leaching, runoff, and spray drift.[9] The registration process can take upwards of 6 to 9 years, and the cost of registration for a single pesticide is in the range of millions of dollars (Toth, 1996).

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Glyphosate however, is not an endocrine disruptor, it is not lipophilic, it is cleared mostly through the gut, and rest through urine. Rats clear all glyphosate from their system within a week, and in known human cases of acute glyphosate poisoning (drinking large amounts of glyphosate), the levels dropped to almost undetectable after 12 hours. The half-life has been estimated to 3 hours, and an analysis of 601 cases of self-poisoning attempts, the fatality rate was 3.2 %, fatalities associated with larger ingested amount and greater age.There is no way something like DDT could pass these tests today. DDT was an endocrine disruptor, it is lipophilic, (it likes to stick to fatty environments such as those found inside organisms), and its half life in humans 6-10 years.

Nowadays endocrine disruptor activity, as well as cumulative effects, are some of the standard things that must be tested before something can be approved as a pesticide:

The EPA must find that a pesticide poses a “reasonable certainty of no harm” before that pesticide can be registered for use on food or feed.[9] Several factors are addressed before a tolerance level is established[9]

  • the aggregate, non-occupational exposure from the pesticide (this includes exposure through diet, drinking water, and the use of the pesticide in and around the home);
  • the cumulative effects from exposure to different pesticides that produce similar effects in the human body;
  • whether there is increased susceptibility to infants and children, or other sensitive subpopulations, from exposure to the pesticide; and
  • whether the pesticide produces an effect humans similar to an effect produced by a naturally occurring estrogen or produces other endocrine-disruption effects.

Interestingly, from 60s through 80s, European scientists were criticising US for implementing overly cautious regulations more on the basis of public concern rather than scientific evidence, and European regulations were much less restrictive, which might come as a surprise as people are much more used to thinking the opposite. It was only after the eighties when it was Europe’s turn to rely more heavily on precautious principles, even against the better judgement of the scientific community – you can read more about that over at The Regulation of GMOs in Europe and the United States: A Case-Study of Contemporary European Regulatory Politics.

To conclude: people had good cause to raise alarm about the harm from pesticides back in the mid 20th century, as this was the first time the issues were noted with appropriate gravity. The environmental movements of the time were championing for a good cause. As recently as 1980s, there were still hiccups in ensuring a properly meticulous process when it came to regulating pesticides. But when advances are made, it is also important to update one’s information. Many pesticides back in the day were risky, some with potentially grave consequences – but just because all pesticides fall under the same category of usage, it doesn’t mean that a pesticide substance today would be anything like arsenic or DDT.

If you are interested in other environmental or health topics, you can find my other pieces on glyphosate over at 17 Questions about Glyphosate, and further resources under Farming and GMOs, The Environment, and Vaccines and Health. If you would like to have a discussion in the comments below, please take note of my Commenting policy. In a nutshell:

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  1. A mechanism of action has been proposed in that glyphosate may affect the gut microbiome species diversity over time with low-level chronic exposure as it is a selective microbicide, harmful to B. subtilis for instance but not to Pseudomonas. Gut health can have profound effect on the whole human health.

    • Great. Now all you have to do is test that hypothesis scientifically, reproduce the results consistently to validate your hunch, then complete all of the remaining scientific investigation necessary to proving out the chain of events you claim will cause disease in the human population.

      But so far all you have is a singular in vitro study and a dream.

      Come back and scare us when you have completed the science.

        • If you had anything you would roll it out…unless the poor quality is too embarrassing and you are protecting it from being shot full of holes.

          Nope, Phony, you got nuthin’. I’ve called your bluff before.

          • There’s nothing hidden, no bluff, you nasty toxic jerk. It’s simply that there is a lot more evidence for the likely hypothesis that glyphosate affects human gut microbiota over time. I get tired of typing the same things over and over, but even a 0.2 mg / kg level in food could cause serious changes to the species composition of the gut microbiota biofilms over time as it exerts a selective pressure on the relative abundance of the various species. These levels are shown to be inhibitory to some microbes in early glyphosate research. You’re a biased agenda-pushing liar.

            Jaworski, Ernest G. “Mode of action of N-phosphonomethylglycine. Inhibition of aromatic amino acid biosynthesis.” Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry 20.6 (1972): 1195-1198.

            A little help: 10 uM is 1.7 ppm of glyphosate.

          • Oh pfffft — capsicum in chili powder is more disruptive to bacteria than glyphosate. I should think you would get tired of typing the same unfounded speculation over and over, but apparently not. An obsession with reciting is no substitute for scientific investigation.

            Ya got nuthin’. None of your puerile name-calling changes the fact that ya got absolutely nuthin’.

            Do the science then roll out your hypothesis. Otherwise forget the vacuous scare mongering.

          • And what do you suppose happens to gut flora after a course of a broad spectrum antibiotic or sulfonamide?

            Yet after we take those for a week to 10 days, we bounce back.

          • Yep, but it’s different for the one styling himself the “sage thinker” (damn, that still cracks me up every time I see it). You see, his big semi-secret “study” is an obscure masters thesis where someone mixed glyphosate with bovine and equine feces and observed a possible impact on one of the resident bacteria. Now, understandably that would terrify anyone who is so consistently full of bull crap and horse crap as the “sage thinker” (heh, heh, oh geez, I can’t stifle the laugh…”sage thinker”, indeed…heh, heh)

          • No, you’re again misrepresenting me, “Farmer”. And you’re being abusive.

            I do not hold there to be some “semi-secret study” that’s a master’s thesis.

            It’s the facts around the chemical and the microbes in our gut that makes it need to be studied. Many other people have a similar hunch about it.

            The thing is that Monsanto and the CropLife consortium do not want it to be tested. They do not want it to be shown that there is any effect of glyphosate on the human organism.

          • Right. It’s a conspiracy. Shit, it’s always a conspiracy with you, isn’t it? I’ve heard a tin foil hat is protective, may be worth a try. Maybe double thickness in your case, eh?

          • Capsicum is not a selective microbicide in the same way. A broad-spectrum microbicide exerts a different sort of pressure. I’m not certain about the filter that capsicum exerts on the gut microbiota but it may be something notable. See this paper:

            Cichewicz RH, Thorpe PA. 1996. The antimicrobial properties of chile peppers (Capsicum species) and their uses in Mayan medicine. J Ethnopharmacol 52: 61–70

            This actually supports the hypothesis that glyphosate may affect health by affecting the gut microbiota.

            I didn’t presuppose any specific effects, nor even that it’s happening, but it’s likely to be happening and we should know what it does.

          • So why are you telling us any of this speculative crap when you haven’t completed even the most rudimentary science to test your hunch? There can only be two reasons. The first would be in a effort to gin up irrational fear. The second would be to attract attention to yourself. Too bad you didn’t calculate that not all of the attention you will attract will be flattering…especially when you expose us to your rather stunning shortcomings and your obvious Dunning-Kruger affliction.

          • Uh.. duh… because i am not the one who is going to do this. It requires a person in the right position and with the funding. Get a clue. I can speak these serious concerns as a citizen / civilian / human with many other aspects to my life as well. You’re piece of work, you’re an abusive toxic troll. Bye now.

          • Well, it certainly would require someone who has a clue in order to get any of that science done. Definitely not a citizen scientist anti-GMO hack who audaciously (and erroneously) styles himself a “sage thinker”. So it’s the scare mongering that motivates you, then?

          • “Weaponized spin” my backside. You lose control when people call you on your B.S., then you go back later and edit your posts like a coward. Grow up.

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